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I know opinion based questions are not reasonable here, and definitely understand why.

My question is do we have a different site that I could go to in order to get opinions on a development of a particularly complex site (for myself at least) on set up and overall process development?

I know it's a big ask but I'm banging my head against the wall on where / how to start.

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    I'd keep in mind stack exchange is not a forum, you have discussions on forums, Stack Exchange is a Q&A site, think of it more like a wiki, and less as a place to discuss things (it'll help with what's on and off topic) – Tom J Nowell Feb 11 at 18:25
  • Thanks for the comment and answer. I understand this isn't forum. That's why i was asking for a good forum site in which to pursue my questions. I'll check the links below. – rudtek Feb 11 at 18:31
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I've always found livechat to be a great help. We have chatrooms where you're free to ask questions that may be off-topic on the main site. Specifically, The Loop Chat is where you can talk shop. If not active immediately we will get to your question eventually or at least point you in the right direction.

WordPress also has their own IRC Channel to talk shop in.

There's the Official WordPress Forums where you can ask more long formed in-depth questions. They have a whole section dedicated to Advanced WordPress Development where your specific question sounds like it may fit in best. Their guidelines are much more loose than ours here and their forum based format is better suited for discussion.

Finally, you may want to check your local area for WordPress Meetups and WordCamps where you'll find professionals to talk to in person regarding the specifics of your project. WordCamps and Meetups are a great way to bounce ideas or talk best practices with people working in the field who may have run across the same bridge you're looking to pass.


For the most part, Stack Exchange is largely a QA format and the chatrooms are meant to cover everything in between.

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There isn't a reliable good quality source, as far as I know, but I can offer you a helpful answer, regardless.

Ask the question in a certain manner.

Here's my answer on this exact same topic:

https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/a/8933/311101

The reason for why most developers in the eco-system write absolutely garbage code is because questions about process, patterns & implementation aren't asked and it's like the wild-west.

Almost all big themes, are built by people who aren't developers and just got lucky. Avada, Be, The7, Themify, Divi is actually pretty decent, while I don't agree with it, Genesis is "as clean as it can get for WP devs".

Trash. Nearly all of it.

This both means that you don't need to know how to code properly in order to achieve monetary success in this field and second (by contrast), you don't even need to care.

An interesting plugin to follow is POJO's Elementor. Although it's not SOLID (nor does it need to be) code, it's written in a pretty understandable manner. They combine OOP with procedural, not intentionally, but the result is an easy to understand eco-system.

ArrayThemes' themes are cleanly coded in terms of simplicity, but it's still hot garbage in terms of extendability, testing and such. I respect them for their stance on code and see where they're coming, but that code doesn't allow you to do much with it.

As such, you can see that a lot of vendors decide to do whatever they want with their code, because it doesn't matter and it's allowed. This is why both PHP / WordPress have a reputation for having bad developers and it's true. Remember that WP's functional approach to things is simply a remnant of the past and you shouldn't base your coding around it. Yes, they make use of classes with the newer features (2010+), but they're just patches.


I used the strong word "trash" but I respect these vendors, especially ArrayThemes for their stance on simplicity of their themes and code-base, but when you look at the code and you've got a bit of experience, you understand that writing your code in a functional matter, with classes that are 2000 lines each, you're never going to be able to extend that, except if you architectured it really nicely, which Elementor did.

If you can reason about your code and it's easily extendable and it's easy to predict, then you hit the jackpot, functional or not, OOP or not, even if it's "bad code by standards".

There is an engineer working on Avada that even though he doesn't write "good code", he's very technical and has deep understanding of the technical side of WP. If you look at their demos installer, you can see some arcane stuff that you never knew inserting a post could pose a problem to. There are some very talented developers in the eco-system who, if they learned about certain paradigms such as SOLID / TDD / Choices of procedural vs. OOP and think in terms of architecture, we'd have much better code bases.

Does this mean the world is going to end? Absolutely not, things still work, but have you ever tried extending any of these themes / plugins? It's hell.

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